2-FDCK & 6-APB/5-MAPB

[clowNz]

Hello, I am investigating the RC world a bit and would be interested in trying something very similar to MDMA and Ketamine.

The analog of Ketamine would be 2-FDCK, right?

What I have more doubts about is the analogue of MDMA, I don't know if it would be 6-APB or 5-MAPB. What would you say is the most similar RC?


Greetings.

 

[benzzzy]

2f-dck or dck would probably be the closest to ketamine that you'll get whit the current rc's.

For mdma something like 3-fea 5-mapb or 6-apb would be good.
6-apb has been praised as a very good mdma substitute for some even better than the real deal.
Sadly a bit harder to aquire currently since most of the major Dutch rc vendors seem to not have it on stock.
I've heard quite a few stories from reliable sources saying that 3-fea is veru very very good to.

 

[benzzzy]

I'd personally go for 6apb if you're able to find it.
It seems to have more of a psychedelic touch to it than 5-mapb and also seems to last quite a bit longer.

5-mapb looks very good to but if I had the choice then I'd probably opt in for 6apb.

 

[clowNz]

Yes, but DCK I think it's currently banned, so the only legal thing would be 2-FDCK, right?

From what I have been able to read is that both 6-APB and 5-MAPB are very similar to MDMA, maybe 6-APB is somewhat more psychedelic than 5-MAPB. Among these 2, do you recommend 6-APB better?

And 3-FEA compared to 6-APB/5-MAPB, what makes them different?

Maybe 5-MAPB is more like an XTC?

 

[benzzzy]

I've no experience whit the drugs mentioned above sadly...
All ik is that 6apb is apperantly very good.

 

[8️⃣6️⃣]

For me 6apb is weaker then mdma. 6apb also has steady onset, the body high doeant come in waves like mdma does but is steady. 6apb works about an hour longer then mdma and that the only thing it is supirior to mdma

 

[clowNz]

For me 6apb is weaker then mdma. 6apb also has steady onset, the body high doeant come in waves like mdma does but is steady. 6apb works about an hour longer then mdma and that the only thing it is supirior to mdma

I guess the dose taken will also influence, right?

 

[8️⃣6️⃣]

@clowNz
Ofcourse

 

[clowNz]

@clowNz
Ofcourse

What mg is recommended by orally for start? For 2-FDCK, 5-MAPB and 6-APB.

 

[benzzzy]

Www.psychonautwiki.org
Www.erowid.org
Www.tripsit.me

These sites should've a summary of each drug mentioned whit dosage and duration.

Fairly sure that 2f-dck is 30-300mg-+
And 6apb/5mapb in the 30-120mg range but I'd have to check this.

 

[clowNz]

Www.psychonautwiki.org
Www.erowid.org
Www.tripsit.me

These sites should've a summary of each drug mentioned whit dosage and duration.

Fairly sure that 2f-dck is 30-300mg-+
And 6apb/5mapb in the 30-120mg range but I'd have to check this.

Wow, looks good!

Maybe I start like this:

• 2-FDCK: 100mg (Capsule)
• 6-APB: 90mg (Capsule)
• 5-MAPB: 80mg (Capsule)

I have based on the Web: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

This would be the maximum limit of the "Common"... would it be too much to start?

 

[benzzzy]

I'd personally snort the 2f-dck.
If it's anything like ketamine then the oral ROA would be inferior but I've seen numerous people state that oral is better than nasal but also heard the opposite just as much...
I'd personally still snort it due to the faster onset of effects making it easier to titrate your dose to something you like.

The doses of 5/6(m)apb seem about right.

 

[benzzzy]

Just lay a few 30-50mg lines of 2f-dck and snort 1 every 15m until you've reached the desired high.

 

[clowNz]

I'd personally snort the 2f-dck.
If it's anything like ketamine then the oral ROA would be inferior but I've seen numerous people state that oral is better than nasal but also heard the opposite just as much...
I'd personally still snort it due to the faster onset of effects making it easier to titrate your dose to something you like.

The doses of 5/6(m)apb seem about right.

Yes, what I have read is that it is usually much stronger than insufflated...Insufflated is less strong than oral.

Just lay a few 30-50mg lines of 2f-dck and snort 1 every 15m until you've reached the desired high.

Sounds good! If you have tried orally...what are the differences with respect to insufflation?

 

[benzzzy]

Oral in general offers a slower onset an comeup compared to nasal.
Whit nasal you'd be able to snort a smaller amount and redose in a shorter period to feel it out more wich is very handy when this is your first experience whit this particular drug.

Whit oral you'd have to wait a hour or so for peak effects and if you decide to redose then you'd have the peak of your second dose right after the first dose making the second dose less additive to your first eich would make the need for a higher starting dose for good effects.

If you snort it than you could just stagger a few doses until you reach a good level so that you can become familiar whit the effects.

And regarding oral working better that seems to really depend per person.
Like I've said I've seen multiple people stating that to be true but also more than enoug stating the opposite.

 

[clowNz]

So, for try first times, nasal is better than oral?

 

[benzzzy]

If nasal means that you'll be doing multiple smaller doses over just 1 or 2 big ones then yes.

That way you'd be able to feel it out more.

 

[clowNz]

If nasal means that you'll be doing multiple smaller doses over just 1 or 2 big ones then yes.

That way you'd be able to feel it out more.

You means that first I make 1 or 2 large nasal doses and then re-dose with smaller doses, right?

 

[Buu]

2f-dck or dck would probably be the closest to ketamine that you'll get whit the current rc's.

For mdma something like 3-fea 5-mapb or 6-apb would be good.
6-apb has been praised as a very good mdma substitute for some even better than the real deal.
Sadly a bit harder to aquire currently since most of the major Dutch rc vendors seem to not have it on stock.
I've heard quite a few stories from reliable sources saying that 3-fea is veru very very good to.

I would recommend not to use 3-FEA. I've tried it last month with a small nasal dose of arround 20mg followed up with 150mg oral. I felt nothing, expect for my heart to increase to a steady 140-150BPM while in rest. Never, never again.

For 6-APB I'd recommend double your bodyweight in miligrams. So if you weight 75kg go for 150mg.

 

[clowNz]

I would recommend not to use 3-FEA. I've tried it last month with a small nasal dose of arround 20mg followed up with 150mg oral. I felt nothing, expect for my heart to increase to a steady 140-150BPM while in rest. Never, never again.

For 6-APB I'd recommend double your bodyweight in miligrams. So if you weight 75kg go for 150mg.

You didn't feel anything with 3-FEA? How weird...maybe a bad batch?

And for 5-MAPB, what dose do you recommend?

 

[benzzzy]

I would recommend not to use 3-FEA. I've tried it last month with a small nasal dose of arround 20mg followed up with 150mg oral. I felt nothing, expect for my heart to increase to a steady 140-150BPM while in rest. Never, never again.

For 6-APB I'd recommend double your bodyweight in miligrams. So if you weight 75kg go for 150mg.

Odd 3fea seemed to be liked by quite a few.
Meybe that it was due to the 20mg start dose?

 

[Buu]

You didn't feel anything with 3-FEA? How weird...maybe a bad batch?

And for 5-MAPB, what dose do you recommend?

Could be a bad batch, we'll never know. I'm not going to try it again, I even gave it away. I don't have experience with 5-MAPB.

Odd 3fea seemed to be liked by quite a few.
Meybe that it was due to the 20mg start dose?

I don't think so, but who knows.

 

[MDMAZIING]

6-APB is like 10 times beter than mdma,its like mdma on steroids. Also work alot longer. To bad its out of stock everywhere..

 

[benzzzy]

Winderig why to.
6apb seems to be a very wanted product.
Meybe that they banned it in China?

 

[clowNz]

Winderig why to.
6apb seems to be a very wanted product.
Meybe that they banned it in China?

I think yes, 6-APB is banned in China...

 

[Buu]

There are still some vendors who sell 6apb..

 

[anhaedra]

2-FDCK is much like ketamine, though not as good, in my opinion. Messes with your motor function a bit more, and harder to get into that euphoric head state of regular K. The whole vibe feels "dirtier" to me, both in actual taste as in the experience itself (more intoxication / less euphoria). I'm talking quite subtle differences here, and I take ketamine as a party drug. Can't say anything about the truly dissociative / holing properties of 2-FDCK.

As for 6-APB -- I stopped taking MDMA at raves because it stopped doing anything for me, except for making me all hazy, intoxicated, and inwardly oriented. Now 6-APB really feels like a good replacement, it's similar, but the effect is more stable, instead of coming in peaks, and longer-lasting. If dosed and timed correctly, you need only a single dose, and it's this habitual MDMA redosing that causes the infamous Tuesday blues and all that shit. Not with 6-APB. A notable difference is that 6-APB sort of alternates between energetic and laid-back, the latter feels kinda like 2C-B, can induce yawning as well. Subject to dosage, of course, I'd say MDMA has a bit more kick while 6-APB is more gentle.